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Tests into and out of law schools—what’s changing and why


By Julianne Hill

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Not much can strike more terror into the hearts of aspiring lawyers than the LSAT and the bar exam. Right now, these tests are having a moment.

The LSAT is facing competition from the JD-Next exam, and many states are reconsidering their licensing methods as the bar exam as we’ve known it sunsets in 2028.

In this episode of the Legal Rebels Podcast, Kelly Testy, the executive director and CEO of the Association of American Law Schools and a 2022 ABA Journal Legal Rebel, talks with the ABA Journal’s Julianne Hill about why those changes are happening now and what it means for law schools and students.

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<p>Kellye Testy. (Photo by Yosef Kalinko)</p>

Kellye Testy. (Photo by Yosef Kalinko)

Kellye Testy is the executive director and CEO of the Association of American Law Schools. She is also a 2022 ABA Journal Legal Rebel. Testy previously was the president and CEO of the Law School Admission Council.

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